Amd Ryzen 2700x With a 1080 Ti Bottleneck Review
- January 11, 2017
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But, with this gpu how would r7 cpus fare, stock? Could an 1800x unleash its potential and utilise it while gaming? How nigh the others (stock)? I've also seen reports that all the r7 processors perform very similarly when overclocked. And so would an overclocked r7 cpu paired with the 1080ti not bottleneck?
I haven't built my pc even so, only I have ordered the 1080ti, and I am in the process of building it, per say. I've also read RAM is also an important factor as well, should I get fast RAM, and/or ram for amd cpus? Thank you!
- Oct nineteen, 2007
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-In terms of Bottle necking, you volition always get some of information technology (at that place is no fashion to perfectly balance a cpu and a gpu. yous could do that for ane game, not for all).
You take to remember that you can striking many different problems in different games:
A) Your CPU uses only a few threads, so a faster ipc and college clocks are better.
B) Your GPU does non have plenty VRAM, and then you will have lower FPS than with another GPU.
C) Your Commuter for the GPU is not well optimized, so you will get lower FPS than someone with some other GPU.
And this list goes on.
When request the question if a CPU will clogging a GPU, the first question Id like to ask is: How fast is your monitor (refresh rate).
I personally still apply a 60Hz refresh rate monitor so anything past threescore FPS is more often than not useless for me.
If you utilise a 144Hz monitor, anything past 144 FPS is useless for yous. etc.
In terms of the ryzens performing similar when overclocked its truthful as far as I know.
I have a 1700 OCed to 3.7 GhZ and I am getting college scored and frame rates than an overclocked 1800X. This is notwithstanding a chip of a lottery, not all CPUs perform besides, and I might have gotten lucky.
If yous are interested in a 7800X, I would suggest waiting maybe ii more months to see more data about it one time there is not merely more data online but likewise to encounter if any bios updates might get some improvements.
In terms of Ryzen, I accept some bad news k: The ram modules are very important. I bought some expensive ddr4 modules 32GB G Skill TridenZ 14-14-14-34 to make certain I get Samsung B die (dual rank memory) and I was able to Overclock the ram to 2667 MHz with no problem after the concluding bios update for my motherboard (gigabyte X370 Gaming 5), and betwixt the CPU overclock and the Ram overclock I was able to get an additional 33% FPS increase in games and benchmarks.
That being said, I was sort of not even worried about that since what I wanted to exist sure I would become is proficient performance when streaming games.
So for me, the 1700 ryzen made a lot more sense than a 7700K at the fourth dimension I bought it and from what I can tell, its besides better than the 7820X, but the trouble here is that I tin can only say taht from 3rd party users every bit I dont ahve a 7820X:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ypELk3jl48
Hither you can see a small sample of how a 1800X performs in some games vs a 7700k and a 7820X. As I said, a 1700 jsut overclocekd to three.7 GhZ seems to be even better than a 1800X (this should be possible for ANY 1700 because of how the binning is washed, significant any core of a 1700 has to be able to practise 3.7Ghz as that is its turbo boost, you just demand plenty ability and cooling to arrive piece of work).
Also, please note that, regardless of my personal feel, there are people whoa re having problem with Ryzen CPUs, and at that place are people who are having rather scary temperatures from a 7700K, so yous volition e'er have a small-scale risk no thing your choice.
Finally, let me brand myself clear, I am using watercoling. While 3.seven GHz is possible on air, it DOES require a adept CPU cooler (and even and then, its going to run a fleck warm, so if you live in a place like say... Spain, where ambient temps can hitting to 47C in summer, look some issues with temps).
I hope this is not also much crazy random info to accept into account but this will always be the case with new tech that is in its baby phase. I had my own share of problems with this setup running windows 7, but I quite simply refused to play the "Intel premium" when I could get so much value out of AMD.
What you will do, and its outcome, is up to yous.
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It seems that the best top out at three.9 or iv.0.
Normally, that is sufficient for gaming.
But, many games answer to higher performing single cores like the I7-7700K more they practise to many threads which is what you get with ryzen.
Here is a interesting comparison of a 8 thread I7-7700K vs. a 12 thread I7-7800X
https://www.techspot.com/review/1445-core-i7-7800x-vs-7700k/
spoiler... I7-7700K wins in virtually all games tested using a GTX1080ti.
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By and large the Ryzen 7 CPUs have the potential to perform fine at AAA games for < 75hz goal, no matter the GPU or resoltion.
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It seems that the best top out at 3.9 or four.0.
Usually, that is sufficient for gaming.
But, many games respond to higher performing single cores like the I7-7700K more than they do to many threads which is what yous get with ryzen.
Hither is a interesting comparison of a viii thread I7-7700K vs. a 12 thread I7-7800X
https://www.techspot.com/review/1445-cadre-i7-7800x-vs-7700k/
spoiler... I7-7700K wins in virtually all games tested using a GTX1080ti.
Would you recommend the 7800x over r7? I was contemplating betwixt the two. I besides forgot to mention that I will be multitasking to somewhat of an extent, and I wouldn't want to have a cpu in which most of it is used upward in one programme. That is why I am interested in the ryzen cpus forth with the 7800x.
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By and large the Ryzen 7 CPUs have the potential to perform fine at AAA games for < 75hz goal, no affair the GPU or resoltion.
If I did some overclocking, do yous call up I could accomplish around the 100FPS count stably?
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By and large the Ryzen 7 CPUs have the potential to perform fine at AAA games for < 75hz goal, no affair the GPU or resoltion.
If I did some overclocking, do yous remember I could reach around the 100FPS count stably?
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Generally the Ryzen 7 CPUs have the potential to perform fine at AAA games for < 75hz goal, no matter the GPU or resoltion.
If I did some overclocking, do you lot think I could reach effectually the 100FPS count stably?
Depends on the game and if the GPU can handle information technology.
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Practice non be alarmed if you come across task director listing some 100+ tasks.
They are service tasks of small size and non active.
Usually 16gb is sufficient, but if yous are worried, go ahead and buy 32gb. Information technology is a relatively pocket-size cost with a upkeep like yours.
Equally to how many threads, that will be determined by the apps you run in the background.
In that location is a adept example for ryzen 1800X with sixteen threads if yous can actually use them all.
Most games will only use two-three threads, so it is your other piece of work that will decide what you need.
Look at the tests I linked above. For all of the games, the I7-7700K whether or non overclocked and using eight threads
consistently did also or better than the 7800X and 12 threads.
The title is a flake misleading, information technology should take said 8 vs 12 threads.
And then, as well, the motherboard needed for a I7-7800K will be more expensive than the Z270 motherboard used for the 7700K.
Every bit to the FPS you might get, information technology depends on the games you lot play, the resolution and eye candy you use, and the power of your graphics card.
In the tests to a higher place, a I7-7700K consistently reached 100 FPS using 1080P at ultra quality.
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Do not be alarmed if you see task director listing some 100+ tasks.
They are service tasks of small size and not agile.
Usually 16gb is sufficient, but if you are worried, become ahead and buy 32gb. It is a relatively modest toll with a budget like yours.
Equally to how many threads, that will be determined by the apps you run in the background.
There is a good example for ryzen 1800X with 16 threads if yous tin can really utilise them all.
Most games volition but utilize ii-3 threads, then information technology is your other work that will determine what y'all demand.
Look at the tests I linked in a higher place. For all of the games, the I7-7700K whether or non overclocked and using 8 threads
consistently did as well or better than the 7800X and 12 threads.
The championship is a bit misleading, it should take said 8 vs 12 threads.
And then, too, the motherboard needed for a I7-7800K will be more expensive than the Z270 motherboard used for the 7700K.
As to the FPS you lot might get, information technology depends on the games you play, the resolution and eye processed you utilize, and the power of your graphics menu.
In the tests above, a I7-7700K consistently reached 100 FPS using 1080P at ultra quality.
the 7800x was in consideration due to the actress two cores for multi tasking and its relatively skillful performance. It does get beat as you mentioned, by the 7700k in gaming, but likewise much of a divergence. This cpu performs ameliorate than the ryzen but paired with a motherboard, it is more expensive. Would you accept the r7 or the 7800x?
- October 19, 2007
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-In terms of Bottle necking, you volition always get some of it (there is no way to perfectly balance a cpu and a gpu. you could practice that for 1 game, not for all).
Y'all accept to remember that you can striking many different problems in unlike games:
A) Your CPU uses only a few threads, then a faster ipc and higher clocks are better.
B) Your GPU does not have enough VRAM, and so y'all will take lower FPS than with another GPU.
C) Your Driver for the GPU is not well optimized, so yous will get lower FPS than someone with another GPU.
And this list goes on.
When asking the question if a CPU will bottleneck a GPU, the first question Id like to ask is: How fast is your monitor (refresh rate).
I personally still use a 60Hz refresh rate monitor so anything past 60 FPS is mostly useless for me.
If you use a 144Hz monitor, annihilation by 144 FPS is useless for y'all. etc.
In terms of the ryzens performing similar when overclocked its true as far as I know.
I accept a 1700 OCed to 3.7 GhZ and I am getting higher scored and frame rates than an overclocked 1800X. This is however a bit of a lottery, non all CPUs perform likewise, and I might have gotten lucky.
If you are interested in a 7800X, I would suggest waiting maybe 2 more months to see more information near it once there is not only more than information online but likewise to run across if whatsoever bios updates might get some improvements.
In terms of Ryzen, I take some bad news yard: The ram modules are very important. I bought some expensive ddr4 modules 32GB Thousand Skill TridenZ 14-xiv-xiv-34 to make sure I get Samsung B die (dual rank memory) and I was able to Overclock the ram to 2667 MHz with no problem subsequently the last bios update for my motherboard (gigabyte X370 Gaming 5), and between the CPU overclock and the Ram overclock I was able to get an additional 33% FPS increase in games and benchmarks.
That being said, I was sort of non even worried most that since what I wanted to exist sure I would get is good performance when streaming games.
Then for me, the 1700 ryzen made a lot more sense than a 7700K at the time I bought it and from what I tin can tell, its also better than the 7820X, but the problem hither is that I can only say taht from 3rd party users equally I dont ahve a 7820X:
https://www.youtube.com/picket?v=0ypELk3jl48
Hither you tin encounter a small sample of how a 1800X performs in some games vs a 7700k and a 7820X. As I said, a 1700 jsut overclocekd to 3.seven GhZ seems to exist even better than a 1800X (this should be possible for Whatsoever 1700 because of how the binning is washed, significant whatsoever core of a 1700 has to be able to do 3.7Ghz as that is its turbo boost, y'all only need enough power and cooling to go far piece of work).
Likewise, please note that, regardless of my personal experience, there are people whoa re having trouble with Ryzen CPUs, and in that location are people who are having rather scary temperatures from a 7700K, so y'all will ever have a small hazard no matter your selection.
Finally, let me make myself clear, I am using watercoling. While 3.7 GHz is possible on air, it DOES require a good CPU cooler (and even then, its going to run a bit warm, so if you live in a identify like say... Espana, where ambient temps can hit to 47C in summertime, expect some issues with temps).
I hope this is not too much crazy random info to take into account simply this will always be the case with new tech that is in its infant stage. I had my own share of problems with this setup running windows vii, but I quite simply refused to play the "Intel premium" when I could become then much value out of AMD.
What you will practice, and its consequence, is up to you.
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